When it comes to my issues with the plot of the 2003 version of FMA, there are 5 categories that I’d like to talk about:
The Greed vs. Ed Fight
The Liore Conflict (More Specifically Scar’s Death)
The Sloth Fight
The Mustang vs. Bradley Fight
Dante’s Stupid Plan &The Ending
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The Greed vs. Ed Fight
In this version of FMA Greed gets into a fight with Ed, which results in Ed killing Greed. It’s supposed to be a big moment since Ed actually kills someone in combat. While many FMA fans praise this fight as glorious, I’ve always disliked this fight since Greed’s actions never made any sense to me. Before I discuss the problems with the fight, I thought I’d start by recapping the fight first:
Before this fight happens, Greed runs up to Dante’s mansion. Dante, the main villain of the show, stabs Greed in the back by showing his remains and creating a transmutation array where Greed has to vomit up the pieces of the Philosopher’s Stone inside his body. This makes it so that Greed can’t use his Philosopher’s Stone to regenerate. Dante leaves and Ed walks in. Ed sees Dante’s old body torn apart and bloody with Greed right there. Ed asks for an explanation on what happened, believing that Greed killed Dante. Greed doesn’t say anything, and attacks Ed. Ed and Greed fight. Ed kills Greed. Before Greed dies, he tells Ed how to kill a homunculus. According to 2003 FMA fans, Greed wanted to die, so he essentially committed suicide by Ed. This is important for reasons that I’ll get into.
So with that recap out of the way, let’s get into my problems with this fight.
Why didn’t Greed tell Ed that he didn’t kill Dante?
I don’t blame Ed for thinking that Greed killed Dante. He walks in on Greed standing next to Dante’s first body, which is torn up and bloody. Greed never bothers to explain himself either, which would look really suspicious from Ed’s point of view. What I’m wondering is why Greed never bothered to explain to Ed that he didn’t kill Dante. It feels like he’s randomly withholding information from Ed so that the plot can happen.
2003 FMA Fan Counter Argument: Well actually, Greed wants Ed to think it was him so that Ed would want to kill him.
Me: Since we’re on that topic, this leads me to my next problem with this fight.
Why does Greed want to die?
Just like in Mangahood, this version of Greed tries to find out how to bond a soul with a suit of armor. This version of Greed wants immortality. If a character wants to live forever that would obviously mean that they don’t want to die, and that they’re not suicidal. It seems like a massive character overhaul to go from “I want to live forever” to “I don’t want to live at all anymore”.
What prompted this radical overhaul in Greed’s character? There doesn’t seem to be any explanation given in the show. The best explanation I can think of is that Dante’s array made him super close to dying...so therefore that would make him want to die? It’s not a good explanation, but I can’t think of any other reason that would explain Greed’s massive character overhaul. If any 2003 FMA fan reads this and has a better explanation I’m willing to listen. As it stands, it just feels like Greed does a complete 360 in his character motivation for seemingly no reason.
Why doesn’t Greed team up with Edward in this version?
I realize that this point can come across as a Mangahood fan complaining about this show not being faithful to the manga, but that’s not what I’m saying. What I am saying is this:
“Based on what transpires in the plot of the 2003 version of FMA, Greed has a more compelling incentive to team up with Ed and Al than he does to commit suicide. Dante just stabbed him in the back, and the other homunculi, Lust and Gluttony, killed his chimeras. He has plenty of reasons to take revenge on Dante and the other homunculi.”
Greed also has access to two important pieces of information that Ed would be interested in: Alphonse’s location, and the information on how to kill homunculi. It’s possible that Greed could have tried to strike a deal with Edward if he actually tried. After Ed kills him in the show, he tells Ed how to kill the other homunculi. Ed believes him too, so there’s no reason to think that this couldn’t be used as an important bargaining chip.
2003 FMA Counter Argument: “But Ed doesn’t trust Greed. The deal wouldn’t work.”
Me: And yet he thought Ed would trust his information on the homunculi after getting killed. So why would getting killed make his information more reliable than if he volunteered it in exchange for Al’s location and teaming up with them?
Why didn’t Dante tap Greed’s tattoo and turn him mindless like she did with Gluttony?
In the final episode of the show, Dante taps on Gluttony’s ouroboros tattoo. This ability strips Gluttony of his free will, and turns him into a mindless eating machine. There’s an implication here that she’s always had this ability. My question here is this:
Why didn’t Dante simply tap Greed’s tattoo like she did with Gluttony? If she wanted Ed to kill Greed, this would have made it easier for him to want to do so.
The Reddit Arguments
There are two arguments that were made by other people on reddit that I agree with, and felt would be great to add to this blog. I did not come up with these ideas, but I agree with them. I’ve left links below that you can click on so you can see the full context yourself.
Reddit Point # 1: “Suicide by Ed” is extremely messed up, and also questionable from the viewpoint of logic
Here’s an exchange on reddit that sums this point up:
2003 Fan Comment: “In the fact that he has to kill, Greed, the first "person" he officially kills”
Brotherhood Fan Counter Argument: “Besides Majhal? And no, Greed is essentially using Ed to commit suicide. Not only is that pretty fucked up in a way that's never called out or even brought up, but I utterly fail to see how that would "inspire" Ed to be willing to apply deadly force in the future. If anything, the shock and trauma would move him in the opposite direction. Plus, I don't see how a teenager intentionally aiming to kill is in any way "mature", outside of being edgy. If anything, it's the opposite.”
Source https://www.reddit.com/r/FullmetalAlchemist/comments/gamzwa/my_issues_with_fmab/fp1yywk/
My Additional Commentary: I would like to add that Greed’s calculated suicide also contradicts a major theme in FMA: “The Importance of Valuing Yourself”. This link is to an article written in the Mary Sue that talks about the themes of the FMA Manga. Say what you will about The Mary Sue, but this article is spot on. One important passage here talks about “The Importance of Valuing Yourself”:
“Much of fiction encourages the idea of sacrificing your life as being inherently noble and also promotes the idea that if you’re in a bad situation, you need to always face that head-on. This is an especially common thing to see in action-oriented shonen.
Al yells at his brother for trying to sacrifice himself
Arakawa’s work challenges that idea and examines the consequences of self sacrifice. The characters in her work are confronted with the fact that their lives have value to the people they love. In Fullmetal, the consequences of ending your life, even to protect another, are fully explored. It’s acknowledged that such an action will inevitably leave your loved ones in a lot of guilt and pain and sometimes rob them of their only family. It stresses that it’s not just important to consider the safety of your loved ones, but to respect their feelings and wishes, which is why when Al and Winry urge Ed not to ever accept death and sacrifice himself for them, Ed takes them seriously. It’s also stressed that ending one’s life means destroying all the potential good you could have gone on to accomplish. It’s more important to live for the world than to die for it. Self-sacrifice should be a last resort, not a first one, because every life has value. With suicide such a pervasive tragedy worldwide—and a huge social issue particularly in Japan, which has a relatively high suicide rage—this is an important to stress to young people.”
Source: https://www.themarysue.com/hiromu-arakawas-fma-part-2/
The obvious counter argument is that 2003 FMA has different themes from Brotherhood and is trying to tell a different story. So it wouldn’t be fair to claim that it contradicted a theme from a different story.
While it is true that these are 2 different stories with two different themes, I would like to point out that the manga scene in the quoted article also exists in the 2003 version. Yep, the scene where Al yells at Ed for sacrificing himself to Scar exists in the 2003 version too. So it still looks contradictory for Alphonse to yell at Ed for sacrificing himself in one episode, but then to not have the show do something similar to Greed when Greed’s suicide was calculated and messed up.
Reddit Point # 2: The show’s views on Edward killing people is wishy-washy
“I don't get why Ed's moral choice to not prioritize his goals over the lives of people who have nothing to do with his and Alphonse's lives is "childish." Honestly, I admire that Ed and Al have moral convictions and stand by them successfully. I think it's valid and I see it as narratively more sound than how in FMA03 the Brothers never feel particularly decided on how they feel about the weight of a human life....
And 03!Ed killed that deranged old man in the filler without feeling any remorse or being upset at having killed a human. But then they have Ed have a panic attack over killing Greed, despite Greed's death essentially being a calculated suicide on Greed's part. And later Ed and Al brood about "maybe we'll become killers" to Winry and all I can do is laugh because they have been so wishy-washy about whether they care about taking a life or not the entire time. Hell, at one point I think one of the brothers mused about taking Wrath's limbs by force. Say what you will but FMA03 would have their morals hinge on the convenience of the plot points they were pushing at any given moment rather than having the characters have strong convictions.”
Source
https://www.reddit.com/r/FullmetalAlchemist/comments/gamzwa/my_issues_with_fmab/ See “Rockabore1”
My Additional Commentary
Am I the only one who thinks that there’s something odd about the idea that sticking by one’s convictions is viewed as bad writing and “childish” while giving up one’s moral convictions is seen as “mature” and good writing?
A lot of 2003 FMA fans seem obsessed with the supposed “maturity” of their show. They often hold Brotherhood’s idealism against it. I’ve seen 2003 FMA fans claim that Brotherhood is “for younger audiences”. Their preoccupation with childishness and maturity reminds me of C.S. Lewis’s quote about this mentality:
“Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.”